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larry hall knows where to find her. >> i think if larry knew what we go through on a daily basis, you know, wondering where she is. wondering what happened, i don't think he would have any choice but to confess and let us know where she's buried. >> donna reitler is not as sure. >> he confessed. he recanted. he confessed, he recanted. without a body, it's just another possibility. >> more than anything else, they just want their daughter back. >> to have a place to lay her to rest, just to be able to sit and just talk to her. >> as for jimmy keene, his truth is stranger than fiction. he's gone from football standout to drug dealer to undercover operative. and now -- to screen star, with his story in development as a hollywood film.
still, says keene, he thinks of the victims' families and hopes they'll find their answers. >> that's all they can do is keep hoping. there was a glimmer of hope when jimmy keene was involved. maybe something else will still evolve out of this. >> maybe the things i've done and am still doing will shine a light and give them hope at some point. two words strike fear in hollywood executives -- charlie sheen. >> that's my response to him. >> people tell you he's dangerous, unpredictable. that's exactly why i like him. >> i wouldn't say time aged me. but it certainly put a little more salt in my saddle.
>> the good, the bad, and the utterly outrageous. and one thing you never thought you would hear char lee sheen say -- you're not that crazy guy anymore? >> no, i'm not. >> charlie sheen, round two. on "piers morgan" tonight. >> good evening. if you were to ask me to name my top three guests, charlie sheen would be one of those. he's a hollywood veteran but his roles offscreen, simply put there's no one else like charlie sheen. it's been two years ins is i sat with him. it's great to see you. >> like wise. >> you look great. >> i feel great, thank you.
so do you. >> you've been doing a round of the shows and i think charlie is in good nick. >> thank you. it's called sleep. start there. start there. >> before we go any further, let's see a clip of the last interview we did. i think it will politely be described as the hiebt of sheen mania. >> addiction specialists, you' seen them all coming around the last -- >> i've been around them for 22 years. >> but the premise ofaire argument is you is that you're in some kind of denial and you never really stopped and thought i've got to sort myself properly. if you follow their programs they can work. a lot of people say it will work like me. >> and then have a life like theirs? i'm going to pass. i'm a winner and their life looks like they're ruled by losers. i don't want their lives and they want mine and now they criticize the hell out of me.
he's not loaded. now bhoo what? he's manic. i don't know what that means. i guess that implies there's a crash. i don't know when that's coming but maybe you can cover it when it does. >> two fascinate things. one what you were saying and number two, your reaction. >> how about let you finish the question. >> i interrupt too. what do you feel about what you just watched there? >> it's a little bit cringeable. i thought i looked okay. but no, it's a guy who's involved in something other worldly at the time. it's very bizarre. >> you were at war with everybody. >> whether they were picking a fight or not, you know? yeah, lighten up francis, right? geez. >> how's your view of addiction? has it changed? >> i'm not as have vitriolic as
there. i still don't totally buy a disease model. i don't miss that group, to be honest with you. >> you're not that crazy guy anymore? >> no, i'm not. >> you were very wired that day. it was a fascinating interview. and you did many i thought almost insane interviews. other people deliberately goading you and me just sitting back and letting yo you talk i thought was riveting el to vision. you at the time walked away from the highest-paid tv gig in america. >> walking away and getting fired are two different things. >> you could have avoided being fired probably. >> i think you're right. >> it's a choice you sort of made for yourself. >> i was right on the verge and i pushed it. i did want out of there after season three. it was just no fun at all, you know? and i was so -- i was so upset and shocked that we were having this great tremendous success and nobody was laughing when we were doing it except the
audience. i thought this isn't how i thought it was supposed to be. >> how hard was it for you? even with all the experience you had to have your life in this huge goldfish bowl over that period? everybody was talking about nothing else but charlie sheen? >> it was pretty aadrenal. it was exciting, though, to have my sweets opening like the cbs evening news. >> i remember, because on my show, you may well remember this, you weren't on twitter. and we talked about it on one of the breaks. >> i hadn't started yet? >> i said you would get so many followers. i think the next day you started on twitter. and within a week, you had 5 million followers. now, whatever it is? >> 8 and another 3 on facebook. yeah. i'm just glad that people stuck with me. i'm glad they stalk with me. it's an interesting idea.
it's an interesting concept and hence an interesting reality, the whole twitter movement. >> you zap away and you engage with people, but ultimately you're charlie sheen on twitter. you are the character. you're funny, you're sharp, you're controversial. you don't really care. >> i'm out here melting. sorry. it's a little hot in here. >> i think if it's done tastefully. i don't want to use it as a platform to insult people or attack people or movements or organizations but i think it's a fabulous tool for fans, especially to get messages out like you have been doing, which have been really amazing. the stand you're taking is really impressive. >> what do you think of the whole gun debate? because i'm always very consciously aware that i'm not an american and the culture in my country is very different. we weren't reared on guns. >> how many homicide in your countries last year with handguns? >> last recorded year of 2011 in
england and wales were 39. in america, the same year, 11,500, 12,000. it's a completely different world, which i find very scary. i don't understand quite why people wouldn't want to try and deal with it. do you understand? >> i think the problem that people face -- well, there's two things. if anybody from the nra wants to look at the parents in the eye and say that guns are still necessary then i urge them to. we're not supposed to bury our children and nobody would if that hadn't happened and it wouldn't have happened if that weapon wasn't involved. but the problem and the argument a lot of people are going to make, how do you get the guns from the bad guys. if the bad guys have guns then the good guys want guns. and people within our constitution, the right to bear arms. but at the time of establishing a militia, correct? which we don't have to do these days. >> i get why americans want to defend themselves at home, i do
get that. i don't get why anybody needs or would want to use an assault weapon that could fire 100 bullets in a minute. you can't use them for hunting, not for sport in that sense. >> if you're part of a tactical team or fighting a war, yes. >> have you owned a gun yourself? >> i have. i was a target shooter and more of a weapons collector, vintage stuff. and then i had a domestic and took them all away and i haven't gotten them back. >> do you miss having guns around? >> i miss shooting. i had an underground shooting range in my house and i would spend hours. but i didn't carry and i didn't feel like -- i felt that they were tools for what i was using them for, not for all the negative stuff, you know? >> when you see people say that, look, you can't ignore the strie
lens of hollywood films, you made "platoon" do you see any correlation between violent hollywood films and video games perhaps and some of these incidents. >> yeah, i think it can. there's something -- thankfully there's in you have of us out there who view it as intentert n entertainment and have fun with it. i think more damage can be done with a story like "criminal minds" where someone gets an idea from some of that stuff. it's really twisted and evil and hard to watch. >> quentin tarantino would argue that he mainly reflects what is actually happening in real life. it's chicken and the egg and he's the egg, if you like. this stuff is going on. >> but the movies can influence things in a different direction as well. people put so much power into that visual, that -- you know, the places that they're taken to when they go to a film, you know? so i think it can have a positive impact or a negative
one. i don't know, i wish i had a solution and i don't. i'm sure you feel the same way. >> i feel very frustrated like a lot of people do. like you can't even have the debate. we're having a civilized conversation about this. a lot of people can't even do that. they want to get so intensely enraged about the second amendment. they can't see it as i see it, the wood for the trees. why does anyone need an ar-15 milita military-style weapon anyway. i don't know what you would use it for. >> fighting in a war. >> that's true, isn't it? in "platoon" i get it. the other big story of the week's been lance armstrong. >> right. >> what is your view of him? >> i met him once at a party. i'm assuming he was in a bad mood, because he wasn't the friendliest guy in the world. >> he was rude to you? >> i'm sure people have said that to me from time to time. not too often. because i'm pretty approachable. >> what did he say to you? >> i said i'm sorry to bother you. i said is i'm charlie sheen. i want to shake your hand.
and he said that's nice. >> when was this? >> that's nice. >> i said no, it's not nice, ass. five years ago, six years ago. >> he shook your hand? >> yeah. >> he didn't want to shake your hand? >> i don't think so. but i don't know what he was into that night or what was going on. i've just been on the sidelines with the rest of us watching the fall from grace. >> he's one of the biggest and worst cheats in sporting history. because the number of lives he adversely affected. i give all the livestrong thing. the oprah interview where he finally admitted he's cheated, he's an american icon in many ways. whether it's marion jones or the sporting heroes, when they are caught cheating, i feel america really hurts because america puts these people on such
pedestals. very patriotic country and the sporting err ras, especially the ones who win globally become really iconic. what do you think? >> i think america is very forgiving if the person hasn't been, like you described, some of the behavior that lance fur sued. -- pursued. i think the risen i've been forgiven for a lot of my stuff is there's a feeling of honesty and i'm trying to do the right thing. i took steroids for a movie. >> which film was that? >> "major league." i modest 73 to a decent 84, 85. but it made me crazy. it made me insane and angry and picking fights in bars. i get it. but it also gave me the energy i needed to keep going. you know? a lot of people talk about bonds and well, you know, this hall of
fame thing recently that was a bit of a disaster. >> i couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. these guys were cheats. why would you put a cheat into the hall of fame? >> bonds, you never know where the proo proof was, except the way he looked physically. maybe too much salt, i don't know. >> given the positive effect of steroids on your ability to pitch, these guys aren't playing fair, are they? >> no, but it was nice to see they were looking at the pitchers as well, not just the hitters. not just the guys hitting the ball, you know? but it still doesn't let you hit the ball any better. you still have to have that god-given ability to hit the ball the way he did. >> do you forgive lance armstrong? >> i would like to sit down and talk to him based on experience with him.
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>> it sounds to me like you've got a man cave. >> what the hell is a man cave? >> you keep all your favorite stuff, you can do what you want and no one bothers you. used to be called your life but then you got married and now it's just a room. >> that's actually a great show. >> you always choose shows where you basically are perfectly equipped to play the character you're playing. you play a guy who was originally sentenced to anger management counseling. '. >> life imitating -- yeah. >> does it make it easier? >> yeah, it makes it easier for
people to understand the show. does it make it easier for me? yeah, if i can play characters that are like me, sure. but i really like this character. he's so much more multidimensional than charlie harper was. charlie goodson. how many charlies am i going to play? i have charlie swan coming out. i think that should be my last charlie role. >> you're giving up charlie completely in all senses. carlos is bob's middle name. this role, bruce helford who helped create the show with me, we created this character together, but didn't flush it out completely because we knew we would have a few episodes to do that. and, you know, we do. we have 100.
>> did you feel vindicated? you were still doing the business on screen, hugely popular. >> right, sure. >> nothing you were doing in your private life, however chaotic directly was affecting what was appearing on screen. >> no, no. it was slowing me down personally, but it wasn't slowing the production down. but yeah, no, it was very satisfying and not so much in their face. i've got to walk away from that at some point. i still haven't. but just to let america know and my friends and family know that i was still capable of doing this and i wasn't going to get back on the horse as soon as i could. i basically brushed myself off, walked across the street and put this thing together. it's very exciting. >> is it more fun doing these shows soeber? >> it's a lot more fun. yeah. you can make a lot more choices. and when you say sober, i'm never a guy that worked loaded because doing a sitcom is so specific. it's like a big dance that has a
very specific metronome on it. the detail of work is very difficult and you can't find it if you're fogged, you know? >> do you still party much? >> not as much as you used to? >> you haven't given it totally up. >> smoke a little pop, dprink a little. i'm 47. >> same age as me. i'm disappointed that you look younger than me. >> you're very kind, very kind. but as far as -- but when i say i wasn't high on the set, i was hungover like a bastard. i think that can slow down the choices that one can make. >> i always wondered if that makes any difference. in movies, in tv shows, in this role you're playing some male model. a womanizing party boy, why would looking hungover by brand damaging?
ite shouldn't be. but when the show is run by aa nazis, that brings on a different light. >> have you gotten on with chuck lorie since then? >> still haven't spoken to him. we were in the same hotel lobby and missed each other by ten minutes. >> what if you saw him? >> hey, good luck with everything, good luck with that and see you on campus. the i think that's what i would have done. >> do you harbor reseventhment towards him? >> i just wish he would acknowledge at some point that he had a hand in it. he did put out a statement. the timing was perfect for him actually. nothing is organic. it's always a little bit manufactured. it was right before we were going to debut and he put out a statement, we did what we had to do. it was on the eve of us getting
all this attention. >> do you miss it? >> parts of it i miss, yeah. when i look back at the pilot, it was an absolute gem. it was an absolute gem. and i almost agreed to do that show based on his enthusiasm and his track record without seeing a script. i said to him, what are you going to call it. when he said "two and a half men" i knew it was a hit. and when i said angus, you're better than a dog, i knew we had gold. >> it's like guns n roses. it's like axel and slash. you made sweet music together and it's over. probably everyone would love you to work together again. you made such great comedy and you can't even stand to be in the same room together. >> what do you make of ashton kutcher? you vary between being critical
and -- >> he's a great man. he's done a critical job with what they've given him. he should be grateful to have jo john's a genius. >> is the show as good with him? do you think? >> no. and not because of -- well, yeah, because of me. but what they did, piers is they got rid of -- they unloaded their anchor and they went adrift. i don't think you realize how important your anchor is until you don't have it. >> do you ever watch it? >> i watched it early on. i thought their first -- their pilot episode had one of the great television moments of all time with the ashes and the reveal of the guy behind the window. that was brilliant. the show should have ended there and said to be continued. but i don't know why a billionaire wourld want to buy a house with a kid and a guy and stay there.
is he still living in my house? >> do you ever speak to him? >> i met him at the emmys. he was really cool. >> he's actually a cool guy. >> and john keeps winning emmy ps. angus, you know, had a little meltdown. >> let's watch a little angus meltdown. >> people see us and be like oh, i can be on a show like "two and a half men." you can not be a true god-fearing person and be oen a television show like that. i know i can't. i'm not okay with what i'm learning, what the bible says and being on that television show. >> i do have a certain sympathy for chuck lorre at this point. are you all completely crackers? >> angus, what does the bible say about "two and a half men." wow, wow. >> when you first saw that, what did you think? >> i didn't think it was an act.
i thought some influence had come into his life that he embraced. i don't know. >> had he shown any signs of this extreme religiousocity? >> not even close. i think at one point h ecla clad to be agnostic. there was one episode about religion but it wasn't like a water cooler topic or anything. >> when he went off like this. he then regretted it and said he wished he hadn't. but what he did, did you try to reach out to him? >> no, because i knew when i did -- you know, the amount of people coming at me, i knew i probably wouldn't get through and i didn't want to be that guy hey, man, now that that happened i'm calling. well, why didn't you call before that? you know what i'm saying? he's a terrific kid and this feels temporary. this doesn't feel like a jonestown meltdown. >> let's talk more meltdowns.
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for one day's work. i said great, i'll do it. they said we want to hire lindsay we want to give her half of what we were going to make you. i said fine. they shorted her 100. >> this was "scary movie 5." >> was she grateful? >> event lully, yeah. it wasn't right off the bat, though. in the moment when i mentioned to her, i don't believe she thought it was true. there was a bit of a delay. but that's fine. >> she in many ways has gone through not a dissimilar pattern from you. she's clearly struggled with that and various demons and drugs and alcohol. can even you give someone like
that advice? or is it look in the mirror and work it out for yourself. >> the only thing that i was saddened about, if she had asked me questions about some of my own stuff, i would have gladly given her advice, but she didn't. and i found that interesting. maybe she didn't want to bother me or pry. >> obviously your family is all pretty famous. your dad from all reports, and you can clarify it if you want to now, was pretty concerned about you last time i interviewed you. >> and i was a [ bleep ] in my response to him. complete and total. i was an ass. >> he still struggles with a lot of demons and a lot of unresolved plo unresolv unresolved parts to his character that didn't get to develop because he was an international celebrity before he was an adult. you know? it took a severe toll on him and there were influences on him that were stronger than ours and we couldn't get to him. you know, he had a lot of fans
e enand a lot of people around him ill advising him on every conceivable level. >> that's powerful. he was an international star before he was an adult. >> not dissimilar to lindsay, of course. >> i'm very grateful for that now. >> when you acted out aggressively against what he said, how did he respond to that? >> he didn't. he's too adult for that, you know? he just figured it was me just doing my thing. we would come back together eventually. >> did that happen? >> oh, hell, yeah. >> how did that happen? >> there was a moment we had that i think the tour ended and he came back from spain and we had a nice -- we had a lunch together. we didn't really talk about much. i said the tour is a mess. what else? no more t-shirts.
he said no more interviews? he said no. then he said why don't you go get your money and take care of your kids. >> good advice. >> just brought it down to basi basics. we work together now. he's on the show. he's fabulous and really funny. he doesn't know how good he is on the show. >> does he know how possibly influential he's been on your recovery? >> i think so, yeah. >> it must nak you very proud. >> it does. we're more friends than a father-son relationship. but he's the guy i go to if there's something i can't figure out. why not go to the people who have been there before you. >> when you see someone like robert downey jr., for example, and others go through this kind of thing. do you see the same stuff going down when you see people like that go through the same stuff you went through? or is everyone different? >> they handle it differently and it looks a little differently on them, but i think it's a similar garment we're all
wearing, yeah. i think fame has a lot to do with it. excesses has a lot to do with it. not so much excess, but access. a phone call at any point, day or night. >> money is in no object. if you want drugs, booze, women, goddesses, whatever you like. you can lead the fantasy live everyone imagines it is. but the reality is, it becomes a nightmare. >> it can. at first it's really bitchin'. it's radical and everything you thought it was going to be and it's not. wait a minute, this was so cool an hour ago and now it sucks. which is a big disappointment when that happens. now what? >> save your boring life, sorry. is that always your demon? >> yes, but also for me, people have come to expect a certain flare out of me, a certain type
of behavior. and was i doing it for them or myself? i don't think it really was who i wanted to be. i think, again, things just sort of got ahead of themselves and you start playing catch-up and putting the blocks back together. >> i found some of the stuff on the tour, i began to think, i don't want charlie doing this anymore. >> i thought that after show two. >> it felt uncontrollable. and you were getting annihilated for it. >> it was brutal. not winning at all. i think a lot of people don't realize i was completely broke because, you know, when they kept my back end and fired me, i didn't have any money left. and so, i was using the tour to actually pay child support and mortgages and stuff like that. you know? i'm grateful for that. >> did you have a moment of catharsis. did you have a moment when you suddenly went, i'm not doing this anymore? certainly not at the level i've
been doing it. >> it was in detroit, opening night. no, that was bad, by the way. detroit was bad. >> i saw some video footage. >> wow, dodging stuff. literally dodging stuff. >> yeah, it was about the adrenaline and the, sort of the forward momentum of it kind of lost its luster after about show seven. and i knew i had 15 or 14 left. and just -- i didn't know -- i didn't have an act. there was no act. i think people were expecting to show up and literally watch me die on stage. or spontaneously come bust or suddenly become, like, cash and women. i don't know what they were expecting. but that's when i had to dig a little deeper and keep going, keep moving forward because i gave this company my word that i would finish this and i did against all odds. >> i look at you now, i see someone not unrecognizable from two years ago, but certainly a very different charlie sheen.
>> i'm flattered, thank you. >> you may quibble with this, but i would say there's a maturity now that maybe wasn't around then. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> and self-awareness. >> i think i'm a little more spiritual. i just think i -- i don't want to say that time aged me, but it certainly put a little more salt in my saddle, you know? is that an expression? i just made that up. >> that's the perfect lead-in to the next segment. it's about women. i want to find out if there's still salt in your saddle. with the goddesses. to the best vacation spot on earth.
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of fun. >> thank you, thank you. >> enjoy making it? >> i do. copeland is a genius. i think he wrote it about a love that he lost and still couldn't figure it out. >> where are you now with women? >> a girlfriend? >> a goddess? >> no, just a girlfriend. >> what happened to the goddesses? >> they went their separate way. there was not a lot of drama. it was mutually agreed upon. >> every man's dream or did it get complicated? >> it get comp ot complicated. i still believe in that model. i think they have to know each other before they know you. you can't randomly put them together and expect it to work perfect because it doesn't work. >> tell me about the lady in your life. >> jones we call her. >> she's not an entertainer?
>> yeah. >> you have a lot of thing for those. >> i do. you can do a lot of research before you meet them. no joke. but i'm a bigger fan since. she's fabulous. you know, she's -- i don't want to say the female version of me, but we have very similar traits and qualities. and she's a lot younger and she's hotter than the word itself. and she's fun as hell. fun as hell. >> you don't have any problem with what she does? >> she doesn't do it anymore. that stuff is all out there. it's the reason we met so how can i criticize it? >> are you in love with her? >> i am, actually. there's a part of me that is. but i think there's different types of love. >> you've been married three times. >> that didn't work. >> were you properly in love each time? >> i thought i was, yeah. and i might have been in certain moments.
>> i think you can be in love with somebody and be in a fleeting moment but still very real. >> you're also a grandfather. >> i am. not just yet. about eight months away. >> how do you feel about that? >> i'm excited. i have a son-in-law. it's weird. >> this is by the daughter of your childhood sweetheart. >> pauline. >> never married? >> never married, no. >> she's now in her late 20s. >> 28. her birthday was 12/12/12. that. >> that moment she says dad you're going to be a grandfather, that has to be a wake-up call. >> as steve martin said years ago, it gives me caca pants. i knew it was going to happen, but i didn't know it would be this soon. it's none of my business when she chose to do that, you know? i've just got to
be along for the ride and celebrate and cheering her along and giving her whatever she needs to be comfortable. >> and how about your twin boys? >> pretty good.
trying to work some stuff out with the mom, but i put everybody in my neighborhood, which is my ultimate master plan. we're all behind the same gate. >> denise looks after the boys? >> she does, yeah. >> it's actually reasonably civilized. >> it is. yeah. just get everybody paid and they'll be happy, you know? sorry. >> do you see much of the boys? >> not as much as i plan to or i would like to. but what's really cool is when they come to set and we have a kid station there. we have, you know, my bus is friendly and smoke free most of the time. >> have you kids now? >> five. >> five kids. some with brooke, soom with denise. >> are they becoming friends? >> becoming friends, yeah. >> when you see the influence and impact your father had on you recently, do you understand more the power of you as a fatherly role model to your kids? >> to a degree, yeah.
>> are you ready for that responsibility? >> i think i am. i've amassed a pretty interesting variety of experiences and knowledge to offer them, things to do and things not to do. you know? >> what would be the number one bit of advice you would give, particularly one of your sons perhaps? >> leave with the truth. leave with the truth. that's what i've always done. that's what my dad told me. it's the reason a gentleman and a pearl like yourself would ask me back after the interview we had because i leave with the truth. you don't have to remember the truth. the truth is unchanging. >> that is very true. >> yeah, it's unchanging. >> i want to talk to you about movies and oscars. you're a movie guy. that's what charlie sheen is to me. >> you got it. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.
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hello, everyone. i'm don lemon. here are your headlines. thousands of people marched today in washington in support of new gun control laws. this comes just days after a bill was introduced in congress that would ban assault rifles, semi-automatic weapons, and high-capacity magazines. some marchers carried signs featuring the names of victims in last month's newtown, connecticut shooting. it's already claimed three lives. now this arctic air system is wreaking havoc as it moves east. snow, freezing rain, and dangerous ice. dangerous amounts of ice causing scenes like this one in virginia on roads across the country. this is kentucky. icy roads blamed for this
ten-vehicle pileup. a greyhound bus also sliding off the slick interstate. now to egypt, where rioting has erupted over a court decision, sentencing 21 people to death. at least 30 people were killed in clashes with security forces today. this all happened after the court sentenced the 21 people for their role in a post-game soccer riot last year. more than 70 people were killed in that riot. hundreds gathered in st. louis today for the funeral of baseball hall of famer stan musial. musial, known as stan the man, spent 22 seasons with the saints. the st. louis cardinals, excuse me. among those attending the hall of famer bob gibson, lou brock, and ozzie smith, as well as commissioner bud selig. after the service family and friends, well, they drove to busch stadium and placed a wreath at the base of a statue of musial. stan musial was 92 years old. those are your headlines.
i'll see you back here in ten minutes on an in-depth discussion on the manti te'o catfishing and online dating story. we all know there's a good chance charlie will be dead soon. so i wrote an obituary. charlie sheen, who became a tabloid fixture due to his problems with drugs and alcohol, was found dead in his apartment -- actually, you know what? i kind of actually just copied amy winehouse's obituary. it's -- i only had to change three things, though. the sex of the deceased, the location of the body, and the part that says "a talent that will be missed." >> wow. wow. >> brutal. like all
roasts, brutal. >> you go, seth. >> on thebase of that performance, seth macfarlane is now hosting the oscars. >> good for him. he's -- >> how will it go with that particular style for the oscars? >> might want to turn it down just aw little bit.
he's a genius, though. he's fabulous. >> he's one of my favorite interviews, too. i think he'll be terrific at the oscars. >> i do too. good for him. he was great at the roast, wasn't he? >> he was superb. the roast is an extraordinary american phenomenon, but i rather like it. >> i do too. >> it's compellingly dreadful. >> we basically did it to get a cable rating. i can say that now, right, mark? we didn't have a cable rating and we were going to go out and shop the show. how can we get a good cable rating and do something exciting and fun? let's do a roast. and i lied to them and said i've seen them all, they're great, let's do something a little different. let me figure it out later. the only one i'd never seen was my own. it was the first one i saw, was my own. and i thought it was pretty-g right? >> it was fantastic. >> and people said how did you stand -- >> did any of it hurt you? >> no. i liked everybody that was there. and it was all really smart humor. how do you take that personally you? can't. you can't take it personally. >> it's been a big year for movies. have you seen many movies? >> not too many. >> do you ever actually go and buy a ticket and --
>> oh, yeah. i was in atlanta and i went and saw "safe house." a few months ago. was that a year ago? i love going to the movies. now i even go to a steak and a beer. it's amazing. >> how about when people go to a movie theater and find you next to them? how do they react? >> they usually wait till the film's over to talk know, which is polite. i guess they figure i'm a fan like anybody else, you know. >> are you in your heart a movie star, do you think? >> i'm a baseball player in my heart. seriously. i'm a baseball -- in my fantasies i'm a baseball star. >> is that what you really -- >> oh, yeah. >> who's your team? >> the cincinnati reds. >> that would have been the dream for you? >> yeah. oh, yeah. but i'm not a -- but i wouldn't still be playing right now. unless i was jamie moier, who played until like 48 or 9. no, would have been -- i don't know that i had the skills to play professionally. i probably would have been riding a bus in duluth till i was like 35. but pursuing a dream. i would trade an oscar right now for one official at-bat in the show. not in spring training but an actual official major league
at-bat. i would trade an oscar for that. >> would you really? >> absolutely. at the drop of a hat. because de niro can't pick up the baseball encyclopedia and go look, one for one. he can go look, there's five of these. but he can't have that one at-bat. >> take a final break, charlie. we'll be
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